Revelan el supuesto plan de Donald Trump para acabar con la guerra en Ucrania

[verdinegro]

Inside Donald Trump’s secret plan to end the Ukraine-Russia war
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... cret-plan/

Former president Donald Trump has privately said he could end Russia’s war in Ukraine by pressuring Ukraine to give up some territory, according to people familiar with the plan. Some foreign policy experts said Trump’s idea would reward Russian President Vladimir Putin and condone the violation of internationally recognized borders by force.

Trump’s proposal consists of pushing Ukraine to cede Crimea and the Donbas border region to Russia, according to people who discussed it with Trump or his advisers and spoke on the condition of anonymity because those conversations were confidential. That approach, which has not been previously reported, would dramatically reverse President Biden’s policy, which has emphasized curtailing Russian aggression and providing military aid to Ukraine.

As he seeks a return to power, the presumptive Republican nominee has frequently boasted that he could negotiate a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine within 24 hours if elected, even before taking office. But he has repeatedly declined to specify publicly how he would quickly settle a war that has raged for more than two years and killed tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians.

Trump-aligned foreign-policy thinkers have emphasized addressing threats to U.S. interests from China and seeking ways to reverse Russia’s increasing dependence on China for military, industrial and economic assistance. They have also embraced limiting NATO expansion.

Privately, Trump has said that he thinks both Russia and Ukraine “want to save face, they want a way out,” and that people in parts of Ukraine would be okay with being part of Russia, according to a person who has discussed the matter directly with Trump.

Accepting Russian control over parts of Ukraine would expand the reach of Putin’s dictatorship after what has been the biggest land war in Europe since World War II. Some of Trump’s supporters have been trying to persuade him against such an outcome.

“I’ve been spending 100 percent of my time talking to Trump about Ukraine,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a onetime Trump critic turned ally. “He has to pay a price. He can’t win at the end of this,” Graham added, speaking of Putin.

Russia has previously declared it was annexing Ukrainian land beyond the Donbas region and Crimea and Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, has said he would not accept surrendering any territory. Exchanging territory for a cease-fire would put Ukraine in a worse position without assurances that Russia would not rearm and resume hostilities, as it has in the past, said Emma Ashford, a senior fellow at the Stimson Center, a nonpartisan think tank. “That is a terrible deal,” she said of Trump’s proposal.

The Trump campaign declined to directly address questions for this article. “Any speculation about President Trump’s plan is coming from unnamed and uninformed sources who have no idea what is going on or what will happen,” campaign spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt said in a statement. “President Trump is the only one talking about stopping the killing.”

Biden said in his State of the Union address that Putin is “on the march, invading Ukraine and sowing chaos throughout Europe and beyond,” and that Ukraine is trying to defend itself. The president has outlined a long-term plan of support for Ukraine that would build up its military capabilities this year so that it is in a better place to go on the offensive next year. But U.S. aid is already in jeopardy as House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) faces a revolt from Republican hard-liners who are digging in against any more funding and clamoring to oust him.

Out of office, Trump has pressured congressional Republicans to resist additional American support for Ukraine’s war effort and a return to the White House would significantly expand his influence over the debate. Seeing the political dynamics in the U.S., European allies have jump-started military industry to a point where they hope to supplant a significant portion of the current U.S. assistance to Kyiv. But analysts said that realistically, Ukraine’s capacity to keep fighting would be weakened if Trump succeeds in blocking further U.S. aid.

In many ways, Trump’s plan is in line with his approach as president. His preference for splashy summits over policy details, confidence in his own negotiating skills and impatience with conventional diplomatic protocols were all hallmarks of how he approached foreign affairs in his first term.

In his eight years as the GOP’s standard-bearer, Trump has led a stark shift in the party’s prevailing orientation to become more skeptical of foreign intervention such as military aid to Ukraine. Trump has consistently complimented Putin, expressed admiration for his dictatorial rule and gone out of his way to avoid criticizing him, most recently for the death in jail of political opponent Alexei Navalny. He has not called for the release of Evan Gershkovich, the Wall Street Journal reporter held in Russia for a year without charges or a trial.

Trump has refused to acknowledge Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and falsely blamed Ukraine for trying to help Democratic rival Hillary Clinton — a smear spread by Russian spy services. His attempt in 2019 to withhold aid to Ukraine unless Zelensky announced an investigation into Biden led to Trump’s first impeachment.

In a phone call with Zelensky that year that Trump said was “perfect,” the U.S. president pressured Zelensky to investigate Biden and the discredited theory that Ukraine and not Russia sought to interfere with the 2016 election. The GOP-controlled Senate later acquitted Trump.

“Former president Trump’s inexplicable and admiring relationship with Putin, along with his unprecedented hostility to NATO, cannot give Europe or Ukraine any confidence in his dealings with Russia,” said Tom Donilon, President Barack Obama’s national security adviser. “Trump’s comments encouraging Russia to do whatever it wants with our European allies are among the most unsettling and dangerous statements made by a major party candidate for president. His position represents a clear and present danger to U.S. and European security.”

Graham said he has warned against giving Russia desired land and wants Trump to embrace a pathway forward to Ukraine to join NATO.

“The way you end this war to me is you make sure Ukraine gets into NATO and the E.U.,” he said. “He doesn’t say much about that. I don’t know if he’s thought too much about it.”

In his public promises to end the war, Trump has pointedly withheld the specifics on how he would negotiate with Putin and Zelensky. “I will say certain things to each one of them that I wouldn’t say to the rest of the world, and that’s why I can’t tell you much more than that,” Trump said in a March interview with former aide Sebastian Gorka.

His public silence on his negotiating tack has left room for others to fill in the blanks. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who has antagonized European allies with his autocratic and pro-Russian tendencies, met with Trump last month and afterward claimed Trump told him he will force the war to end because “he will not give a penny” to help Ukraine. Orban’s statement was false, but the former president didn’t want to publicly contradict him after entertaining him all night at his Mar-a-Lago Club and admiring his toughness and anti-immigration positions, according to a person close to Trump, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private conversation.

During the meeting, Orban spoke at length about Soviet history, Russia’s desire for Ukrainian territory and the military challenges facing Ukraine, the person said. Trump listened but was noncommittal, the person said. An Orban spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

Word of Trump’s plan for Ukraine circulated in Washington last November at a meeting at the Heritage Foundation between right-of-center foreign policy figures and a visiting delegation from the European Council on Foreign Relations. Former Trump White House aide Michael Anton described the expected contours of Trump’s peace plan as Ukraine ceding territory in Crimea and Donbas, limiting NATO expansion and enticing Putin to loosen his growing reliance on China, according to multiple people present for the meeting, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private discussion.

Reached by phone in March, Anton said he hadn’t spoken with Trump in 18 to 24 months and denied knowing anything about Trump’s plan for Ukraine. He did not respond to further questions.

James Carafano, a Heritage Foundation fellow who convened the meeting, declined to comment on the private discussion but criticized the idea of splitting Russia from China. “That is stupid idea 101,” he said. “Anything you could give Russia that they would really value would compromise all your other interests. The way to deal with the Russia-China relationship is to make Russia a weaker partner.”

Peeling Russia away from China would presumably involve sanctions relief, since the Kremlin has turned toward Beijing to try to offset broad-based Western sanctions on its energy, defense and financial sectors, said Jeremy Shapiro, head of the Washington office of the European Council on Foreign Relations, who brought the group’s delegation to the meeting in November. Shapiro declined to comment on the specifics of the conversation, citing ground rules of the November event that prohibited attributing anything that was said, but he said that Trump’s Ukraine peace plan did not appear to be detailed.

“Trump people feel as if one of the great sins of the Ukrainian war and the Russia policy, generally speaking, is to push Russia toward China and to make it all the more dependent on China,” he said. Trump’s “fundamental approach with all things is to get men in a room together to discuss,” without necessarily having detailed plans in advance, Shapiro said.

Russia experts doubted Trump’s peace efforts could succeed. Fiona Hill, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who was Trump’s top Russia adviser and has since emerged as a prominent critic, said it reminded her of 2017 — when unvetted foreigners and business executives approached Trump with various peace plans, and he thought he could sit down with Russia and Ukraine and mediate on the strength of his personal charisma.

Trump’s team “is thinking about this very much in silos, that this is just a Ukraine-Russia thing,” Hill said. “They think of it as a territorial dispute, rather than one about the whole future of European security and the world order by extension.”

Even drawing an armistice line might not be so straightforward. The Kremlin in September 2022 declared that it was annexing four southern and eastern Ukrainian provinces, including the Donbas region but extending well beyond it. Since Kyiv still controls much of the territory, any attempt to resolve the war with territorial concessions is likely to involve extensive haggling — unless both sides simply agree to freeze the front lines that are in place at the moment of a deal.

Ukraine and European allies would probably resist Trump’s efforts to strike a deal with Moscow, Hill said. She said the Europeans have jump-started their military industry to a point where they hope to supplant a significant portion of the current U.S. assistance to Kyiv. She added that the U.S. has limited leverage for a unilateral deal because meaningful sanctions relief would rely on European cooperation.

“No amount of leverage the United States has is likely to compel Ukrainian leadership to engage in policies that would constitute domestic political suicide,” said Michael Kofman, an analyst of the Russia-Ukraine war at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a nonpartisan research center. “And no amount of leverage the United States has can compel Ukraine to cede territory or engage in these types of concessions. This is a situation where if you’re willing to give a hand, the other side will very quickly want the rest of the arm.”

[verdinegro]

Me parece parte de una campaña que mezcla medias-verdades con mentiras de una forma deshonesta. Sobre todo tras estas revelaciones de La Repubblica y el Berliner Zeitung:





Lo que supuestamente ofrece Trump y lo que se discute en la OTAN no difiere mucho. Las únicas diferencias es que la OTAN ofrece más territorio a cambio de membresía y Trump no quiere extender una organización que en principio era atlántica.

[Senderos]

Nada nuevo bajo el sol, ya se ha planteado anteriormente ceder territorio a Rusia para acabar la guerra, lo de una supuesta zona desmilitarizada entre ambos países si puede ser una idea original de Trump.

Trump es el presidente de la paz.

[GranHistoria]

De hecho sería lo más lógico en darse el acuerdo, Ucrania no va a poder recuperar los territorios ya anexados, lo mucho que puede hacer actualmente es parar los avances y ya.

[verdinegro]

Chilla el enano payaso.

[gines a]

De hecho sería lo más lógico en darse el acuerdo, Ucrania no va a poder recuperar los territorios ya anexados, lo mucho que puede hacer actualmente es parar los avances y ya.

Como no se les ocurrio esa idea cuando Hitler invadio Francia, Polonia, Rusia, etc.? Con cederles el territorio que quisieran a los alemanes, Hitler se hubiera detenido...

Segurito que despues de la invasion que llego a unos kilometros de Moscu, si le hubieran dado ese territorio segurito que Hitler no hubiera seguido hasta Moscu y mas alla...

Hubierasn llamado a Hitler el "presidente de la paz" con todos los muertos que se hubieran ahorrado solo para salvar un territorio ya invadido...

[Senderos]

De hecho sería lo más lógico en darse el acuerdo, Ucrania no va a poder recuperar los territorios ya anexados, lo mucho que puede hacer actualmente es parar los avances y ya.

Como no se les ocurrio esa idea cuando Hitler invadio Francia, Polonia, Rusia, etc.? Con cederles el territorio que quisieran a los alemanes, Hitler se hubiera detenido...

Segurito que despues de la invasion que llego a unos kilometros de Moscu, si le hubieran dado ese territorio segurito que Hitler no hubiera seguido hasta Moscu y mas alla...

Hubierasn llamado a Hitler el "presidente de la paz" con todos los muertos que se hubieran ahorrado solo para salvar un territorio ya invadido...

Solo los bidenvenecos creen que el demente senilde Brandon ganó las elecciones y además el voto popular.



Trump no solo es el presidente de la paz, tambien es amado por su pueblo y va por su tercer periodo.

[GranHistoria]

De hecho sería lo más lógico en darse el acuerdo, Ucrania no va a poder recuperar los territorios ya anexados, lo mucho que puede hacer actualmente es parar los avances y ya.

Como no se les ocurrio esa idea cuando Hitler invadio Francia, Polonia, Rusia, etc.? Con cederles el territorio que quisieran a los alemanes, Hitler se hubiera detenido...

Segurito que despues de la invasion que llego a unos kilometros de Moscu, si le hubieran dado ese territorio segurito que Hitler no hubiera seguido hasta Moscu y mas alla...

Hubierasn llamado a Hitler el "presidente de la paz" con todos los muertos que se hubieran ahorrado solo para salvar un territorio ya invadido...

Solo tú eres uno de los tantos pendejos que cree que Ucrania va recuperar hasta Crimea.

Si se viera que hasta Ucrania por menos POR LO MENOS a recuperado una o dos ciudades importantes que Rusia se anexado te diría que tienen alguna oportunidad, pero AUN están allí tomados por Putin.

[Baron Harkonen]

La guerra de Ucrania es simplemente el negocio más grande que se pudieron inventar tanto para las empresas militares, las empresas de Gas y petróleo y la industria automovilistica norteamericanas. El gran perdedor es toda Europa.
Está de más mencionar a Ucrania, que se convirtió en un condon de los neo-conservadores, un país y un pueblo absolutamente destruídos por dinero.

Y como ya dejaron en el hueso a Ucrania, ahora van a por China a través de Taiwan, que es ordenes de magnitud un negocio mucho más jugoso.

[Tupac Amaru]

De hecho sería lo más lógico en darse el acuerdo, Ucrania no va a poder recuperar los territorios ya anexados, lo mucho que puede hacer actualmente es parar los avances y ya.

Como no se les ocurrio esa idea cuando Hitler invadio Francia, Polonia, Rusia, etc.? Con cederles el territorio que quisieran a los alemanes, Hitler se hubiera detenido...

Segurito que despues de la invasion que llego a unos kilometros de Moscu, si le hubieran dado ese territorio segurito que Hitler no hubiera seguido hasta Moscu y mas alla...

Hubierasn llamado a Hitler el "presidente de la paz" con todos los muertos que se hubieran ahorrado solo para salvar un territorio ya invadido...

Porque Hitler era progre y apoyaba las cuchituras

[gines a]

Si se viera que hasta Ucrania por menos POR LO MENOS a recuperado una o dos ciudades importantes que Rusia se anexado te diría que tienen alguna oportunidad, pero AUN están allí tomados por Putin.

Ucrania ha recuperado 74.443 km2 de su territorio invadido por Putin, y mas en el 2023 y 2024:

By 11 November 2022, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian occupation

[GranHistoria]

Si se viera que hasta Ucrania por menos POR LO MENOS a recuperado una o dos ciudades importantes que Rusia se anexado te diría que tienen alguna oportunidad, pero AUN están allí tomados por Putin.

Ucrania ha recuperado 74.443 km2 de su territorio invadido por Putin, y mas en el 2023 y 2024:

By 11 November 2022, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian occupation

Estas dando una informacion de hace 2 años, dame información hasta de HOY de las zonas anexadas por rusia.

[gines a]

Ucrania ha liberado 54% del territorio invadido:

Ukraine Has Liberated 54% of Territory Seized by Russia, Joint Chiefs Chairman Says

Military.com | By Konstantin Toropin
Published September 19, 2023

The U.S. military's top officer said Tuesday that Ukrainian forces had reclaimed more than half of Russian-occupied territory and stressed that the war will continue through the winter -- until the Russians are completely gone.

Speaking at a press conference in Germany, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley told reporters that "to date, Ukraine has liberated over 54% of Russian-occupied Ukraine and they continue to retain the strategic initiative."

The promising assessment comes as more than 50 countries gathered for their regular meeting -- known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group -- where they decide what contributions they can make to the war effort. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin stressed that the country needed more air defense systems and noted that the long-promised M1 Abrams tanks will be arriving "soon."

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The war in Ukraine, started when Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion in February 2022 with the aim of capturing its capital within days, is now approaching 600 days in length. In the early days of the war, Ukraine was largely focused on defending itself from advancing Russian troops but, this summer, the country kicked off a major counteroffensive aimed at repelling all invading forces.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is expected at the White House and on Capitol Hill next week as he visits the U.S. during the United Nations General Assembly. (Sep. 18) AP

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"It's not particularly surprising ... the Ukrainian offensive is going a little bit slower than previously anticipated," Milley said. But he also said he was confident in the Ukrainian forces and their desire to press their advantage.

"As you get into the winter, the grounds will get muddy, but then it'll freeze," Milley said. "There's no intention whatsoever by the Ukrainians to stop fighting during the winter."

Much of the fighting is against heavily defended and entrenched positions -- something that military officials have been warning about for months.

However, Milley said that "generally speaking, the Ukrainians have penetrated several layers of this defense."

"It is not 100% penetrated yet, but they've penetrated several of the layers and they're going very slow, preserving their combat power," he added.

While the slow progress is not surprising to military leaders, it also comes at a time when the political will to keep sending military equipment and aid to Ukraine is being challenged on Capitol Hill.

In late August, the House Freedom Caucus -- the far-right coalition of representatives -- vowed to oppose "any blank check" for Ukraine. While most lawmakers in both parties continue to support American assistance, securing more money could become more difficult after 70 House Republicans held a vote in July to cut off all U.S. funding to the country.

When asked broadly about criticism aimed at the Ukrainian military leaders, Milley pushed back and stressed that the country has "plenty of combat power remaining and the Ukrainians have absolutely no intent to stop."

The general, who is set to retire from service at the end of the month, also had plenty of confidence in America's ability to keep providing aid.

"The United States and its allied countries are rich, powerful, with significant ... military resources that are capable of sustaining this fight, in President Biden's words, as long as it takes," he said.

Milley also added that for many Ukrainians -- especially those under 40 years of age -- they've known nothing but "a free and independent, sovereign Ukraine."

"I think that Russia has made one of the greatest strategic errors Russia has ever made," Milley said. "They've invaded a country that's been free and independent, and that country is not going to quit until they, too, are free and independent once again."

[verdinegro]

Ucrania ha liberado 54% del territorio invadido:

Noticia vieja.

[gines a]

De hecho sería lo más lógico en darse el acuerdo, Ucrania no va a poder recuperar los territorios ya anexados, lo mucho que puede hacer actualmente es parar los avances y ya.

Como no se les ocurrio esa idea cuando Hitler invadio Francia, Polonia, Rusia, etc.? Con cederles el territorio que quisieran a los alemanes, Hitler se hubiera detenido...

Segurito que despues de la invasion que llego a unos kilometros de Moscu, si le hubieran dado ese territorio segurito que Hitler no hubiera seguido hasta Moscu y mas alla...

Hubierasn llamado a Hitler el "presidente de la paz" con todos los muertos que se hubieran ahorrado solo para salvar un territorio ya invadido...

Porque Hitler era progre y apoyaba las cuchituras

Lo que parece es que Hitler y Trump se hubieran llevado muy bien.

Hitler solo queria toda Europa, y la solucion de Trump es entregarles todo lo que quieran.

Imaginate, esa es la formula para acabar todas las guerras. Se le entrega todo al invasor y listo, no hay guerra. Trump es un genio.

[verdinegro]

Como no se les ocurrio esa idea cuando Hitler invadio Francia, Polonia, Rusia, etc.? Con cederles el territorio que quisieran a los alemanes, Hitler se hubiera detenido...

Segurito que despues de la invasion que llego a unos kilometros de Moscu, si le hubieran dado ese territorio segurito que Hitler no hubiera seguido hasta Moscu y mas alla...

Hubierasn llamado a Hitler el "presidente de la paz" con todos los muertos que se hubieran ahorrado solo para salvar un territorio ya invadido...

Porque Hitler era progre y apoyaba las cuchituras

Lo que parece es que Hitler y Trump se hubieran llevado muy bien.

Hitler solo queria toda Europa, y la solucion de Trump es entregarles todo lo que quieran.

Hay abundante testimonio de veteranos de la SGM quejándose de que ellos no lucharon para ver este bochinche en que se ha convertido Occidente, comenzando por Patton.

Vaya consuelo no hablar alemán.

[Mesmo]

Bueno el Putin tambien quiere Alaska, ¿qué haría Trump en ese caso?

[gines a]

Bueno el Putin tambien quiere Alaska, ¿qué haría Trump en ese caso?

Si su politica es entregar territorio cuando te amenazan, pues que vayan practicando ruso en Alaska.
AMLO le va a pedir California y Texas, y cuidado y tambien se los da.

[verdinegro]

[Tupac Amaru]

Como no se les ocurrio esa idea cuando Hitler invadio Francia, Polonia, Rusia, etc.? Con cederles el territorio que quisieran a los alemanes, Hitler se hubiera detenido...

Segurito que despues de la invasion que llego a unos kilometros de Moscu, si le hubieran dado ese territorio segurito que Hitler no hubiera seguido hasta Moscu y mas alla...

Hubierasn llamado a Hitler el "presidente de la paz" con todos los muertos que se hubieran ahorrado solo para salvar un territorio ya invadido...

Porque Hitler era progre y apoyaba las cuchituras

Lo que parece es que Hitler y Trump se hubieran llevado muy bien.

Hitler solo queria toda Europa, y la solucion de Trump es entregarles todo lo que quieran.

Imaginate, esa es la formula para acabar todas las guerras. Se le entrega todo al invasor y listo, no hay guerra. Trump es un genio.

Genio es el político español GAY que actualmente es noticia, pues en su insania mental piensa en la distribución equitativa de las riquezas, al menos eso le vende al lumpe progre ignorante mientras el se llena los bolsillos de euros y el cielo de la boca con su propio excremento

Eso sí es ser un genio, no Trump o Hitler, pues a Hitler la progresía lo recuerda según la conveniencia del caso, a Trump, porque no está de acuerdo con la mentalidad de homosexual de barrio depravado que impera en quienes lo odian